The Tesseract Document

I got bored and started to pause The Avengers every minute to look at something. I found the scene where Nick Fury is giving Steve Rogers the file on the Tesseract. Very interesting stuff, but then I found that it was printed in the Phase One box set (that I didn’t buy and had to find a scan of on the internet). So here it is:


Interesting. There’s some redacted parts. Well, it just so happens that those lines are the only lines that you can see in the movie.

“…how they want to be used, and deny certain wishes. Mephisto has proposed that a billion-sentient universally-linked will could overcome this problem, and that the Cubes could be as powerful as the Infinity Gems.”

Assuming Joss Whedon isn’t trolling people and that this is serious, this implies the SHIELD has come into contact with Mephisto (which would be interesting for Doctor Strange in 2016), that there are multiple Cosmic Cubes, and that SHIELD is aware of the Infinity Gems.

If that’s actually the case, perhaps Nick Fury has a deeper motive for gathering the Avengers than I had thought.

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What I Expect in Iron Man 3

Iron Man 3 international release opening weekend has grossed more than that of The Avengers (by only about 300,000). While I’m not sure how it could be better than The Avengers, I do have high expectations for it. Also, I do expect some references to a bigger universe. Though I’m sure that I can find confirmation of this online, the movie has not opened in America so I’m trying really hard not to look up any spoilers.

With that said, you may consider some of what follows to be spoilers. The following has been what was revealed about the movie over the last few months and my speculation on it.

1. Mandarin’s Rings – While I would love for his rings to be like the comics, I’ve gotten the impression that they might not actually be magical. That said, I reserve some hope that one of the rings the Mandarin will have will feature an Infinity Gem. Not sure which gem it’d be (Power?), but I can hope.

2. AIM and HYDRA – AIM is definitely in this movie. However, more importantly, AIM is connected to HYDRA in the comics. I’m eager to see if this plays into my thoughts on a HYDRA-World Security Council connection from Phase 1 (which I’ll hopefully explain in a couple of blog entries this week… or next). I’m also curious as to whether AIM are the same scientists that were working for Loki in The Avengers alongside Eric Selvig. (The quote that stands out from those scenes is something along the lines of “SHIELD has no shortage of enemies, Doctor.”)

3. “Nothing’s been the same since New York.” – I’m very eager to see how Tony Stark’s character has developed since The Avengers. Specifically, I’m looking towards seeing him move towards the Tony Stark I’m more familiar with from the comics (the Civil War through Siege era, primarily) where I hate the guy because he has very good reasons for things that I don’t want. I don’t expect him to goes as far as to support the Superhuman Registration Act or jettison the Hulk into outer space at this point, but I believe that the cards may begin to be set for such events to occur.

Things that might point that out would be Godbuster or Hulkbuster armor. I feel one or both of those were rumored to be in it, but may have been debunked. (I would fact check that, but I don’t want to run into spoilers at the moment.) Much like how Stark definitely has Space Armor after his terrifying incident in space, Godbuster or Hulkbuster armor would definitely suggest that he has been unsettled by meeting people like Thor and the Hulk that are much more powerful than him.

I’m also interested in seeing how he’s become more of a hero. Especially after some of the comments made in the arguments between Rogers and Stark in The Avengers about being a hero, I want to see Captain America’s impact on how Iron Man operates.

Overall, these three changes will hopefully begin to push Tony Stark to his more “futurist” way of thinking. He’s already seen how out-of-their-league all of Earth is in from Loki’s attack in The Avengers. I expect him to begin to see the danger of power in general, especially drawing from Vanko in Iron Man 2.

As a closing note, and a bit more of spoiler (you’ve been warned), it would appear that Bruce Banner may be appearing in the end credits. It is killing me not to look up what exactly he is doing in the end credits or what that’s all about. 4 more days.

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Loki Lost

More important than the possibility that Loki won in The Avengers is that Loki lost in Thor. Well, of course, he lost. There’s no question about it. But I think I would like to question what his actual motives were. I am going forward with the assumption that Loki is a pretty smart guy. Seems like one, right? Well…

“Thor Odinson, you have betrayed the express command of your king. For your arrogance and stupidity, you have opened up these peaceful realms and innocent lives to the horrors and desolation of war. You are unworthy!”

– Odin to Thor (a scene at which Loki was also present)

“You can’t stop it. The Bifrost will build until it rips Jotunheim apart.”

“Why have you done this?”

“To prove to father that I am the worthy son.”

Loki to Thor

Am I the only one who is confused how a god so brilliant that he was able to engineer his own ascension – albeit temporary – to the throne of Asgard, could think that destroying Jotunheim would make him worthy when he had been present at Thor’s banishment for attempting to do just that?

Oh, that’s right. Loki is the God of Lies.

The Goal

Let’s assume that Loki was already in contact with Thanos and the Other before he fell through the portal. Thanos would potentially be able to provide him with means to become king of Asgard. It should be noted that simply having Thor banished and Odin fall into the Odinsleep would not be enough. Often, the Odinsleep is only temporary so he knew that his rule would have to be temporary.


So the bargain that’s assumed between Loki and Thanos is that Loki would give Thanos the Infinity Gauntlet if Thanos would help Loki get the throne of Asgard. The Infinity Gauntlet is in Odin’s treasure room.

Preparing for to Steal the Infinity Gauntlet

Imagine you’re Loki and you’re planning on stealing the Infinity Gauntlet from Odin’s treasure room. What information would be good to have? Well, obviously, what defenses does Odin’s treasure room have? How would you figure that out? Maybe sneaking a couple of Jotuns into the treasure room to steal the Casket of Ancient Winters would set off the alarms… So by letting those Jotuns in, Loki learns that “Hey! There’s a Destroyer guarding the Casket of Ancient Winters! Glad I know that now!”

With the defenses figured out, he needs to get rid of the guardians of Asgard if he’s going to have Thanos come in and get the Infinity Gauntlet. What guardians are there? Well, there is Thor. Oh wait. There’s right. “I cast you out!” No more Thor. Well played, Loki.

Then again, there’s also Thor’s friends: the Warriors Three and Lady Sif. If only there was a way to get rid of the- What’s that? They went after Thor? Predictable. There’s also Heimdall. Well, let’s just freeze him over with the Casket of Ancient Winters.

So that’s everyone except for the Destroyer. Except… Loki sent the Destroyer to Earth. How convenient! Odin’s treasure room is completely unguarded now. It’s almost like it was planned that way or something!

“I’ve Got an Army”

Going back to the quotes I pointed out at the beginning of this entry, there remains the problem of what Loki is saying. But, again, I’d like to remind you that this is the God of Lies. In fact, when Loki sees Thor arrive, he tells Thor that he is “off to destroy Jotunheim.” Now why would the God of Lies tell Thor that?

Well, the God of Lies would definitely tell Thor that if it was a lie! If you’re bored, I highly recommend going to this scene in Thor and watching it to around the end… muted. Watch it with a very open mind, pretending to not know what’s actually going on in the conversation. So, in other words, you don’t know that Loki is going to destroy Jotunheim (until you see the destruction, of course).

If you watch it like that, it almost looks like Loki’s simply going to open a portal somewhere. If he hadn’t told Thor he was going to destroy Jotunheim, I believe that when Thor confronts Loki at the bifrost, his first reaction might be more along the lines of “Where are you opening a portal to?”. If that were his true intention, he wouldn’t want Thor thinking that, now would he?

Now why would Loki be opening a massive portal to Jotunheim? And not really to Jotunheim as much as through Jotunheim? In fact, I believe that we’ve seen a large portal before in one of these movies…


My theory is that the Chitauri fleet was waiting on the other side of Jotunheim. Why would they be on the far side of Jotunheim and not the near side? Heimdall would be able to see an army amassing on this side and report it to Odin. By forming it on the other side, it would not be spotted.

By destroying Jotunheim, he’d be able to let in the Chitauri army, the Other, and Thanos. Odin would probably be killed and Loki would have an army to take out Thor and any others who dare to rebel against him.

However, we all know that’s not how the movie turned out. No, instead Loki lost and nearly fell off the bifrost. This explains why he simply let go at the end of Thor. He KNEW that Thanos, the Other, and the Chitauri were on the other side of that portal. It was his escape. This also explains how Loki ended up with Thanos and the Other.

loki noooooooo

The Icing on the Cake

A couple of weeks after coming up with this theory, I was watching The Avengers. I then arrived at the end scene with Thanos. I was skeptical about my theory to an extent until I saw that last frame. And I must say that Joss Whedon is a GENIUS. While everyone was going “OMG THANOS!” (or in the case of non-comic book readers: “Who the heck is that guy?”), it merely served as a distraction from the other side of the screen which seems to contain the remnants of a moon that had been partially destroyed by some sort of high-energy impact.


“That’s no moon.”

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Loki Won

Before reading this post, I highly suggest starting with “The Casket and the Tesseract” as a lot of what I’m saying continues on from what I said there.

Loki had the Casket of Ancient Winters (which is connected to the Tesseract) when he fell through the portal at the end of Thor. The next time we see Loki, he is being handed the scepter by the Other (the name that the leader of the Chitauri is given in the credits of The Avengers). As far as we know, Loki had the Casket of Ancient Winters at that time.

Now, let’s focus on what is being said at the beginning of The Avengers:

“The Tesseract is awakened. It is on a little world, a human world. They would wield its power, but our ally knows its workings like no other. He is ready to lead and our force, our Chitauri, will follow. The world will be his, the universe yours. And the humans? What can they do but burn?”

– The Other to Thanos

With that quote, can I call back to the what I said at the end of the “Background Information” post about the deal between Loki and Thanos. “…the universe yours…” definitely fits in with that, no?

On topic, I want to point out the following line: “Our ally knows its workings like no other.” Now, are we in agreement that this “ally” that the Other is referring to is definitely Loki? If so, how would he “know its workings like no other.” We’ve never seen Loki use the Tesseract or even touch it.

However, the revelation from Thor that Loki is the son of Laufey might have something to do with that. As a Jotun, Loki would probably be able to understand how to use the Casket of Ancient Winters. If the Casket is the other “side” of the Tesseract, then would it be too much to assume that he might have an understanding of its workings as well?

Even from that great of a distance (specifically “other side of the universe”), Loki seems to be able to control it. He was able to subtly control Selvig when he is shown the Tesseract at the end of Thor. Could he have exerted this control through the Casket and through the Tesseract?

With this control, he might also be able to “awaken” the Tesseract. Once the machine that S.H.I.E.L.D. had built was completed, he would be able to open the portal and travel to Earth, leaving the Casket of Ancient Winters with the Chitauri army. He would not take the Casket of Ancient Winters with him. How else would he open the portal to the Chitauri at the end of The Avengers if he didn’t have the other part of the door there?

He arrives on Earth and his main goal becomes to get the Tesseract so that he can unleash the Chitauri so that he can rule the world. Except that doesn’t make sense. He’s Loki. Loki is the God of Lies and Mischief. He also would not settle merely for Earth. He doesn’t care about Earth. Why would he rule over Earth when instead he could use the Chitauri army to be ruler of Asgard? In fact, in his conversations with the Other, he still thinks of himself (or wants the Other to think that he thinks of himself) as being king of Asgard.

So, what if Loki’s goal wasn’t to rule the Earth?

Well, look at how the movie turned out. As we all (should) know, the Chitauri are defeated by the Avengers, Loki is “arrested” by Thor, and the Tesseract is taken by Thor back to Asgard. Fine and dandy right?

Except that the Casket of Ancient Winters is still out there somewhere. Thor and all of Asgard has one end of the door, but the Other and/or Thanos has the other end. By being defeated, Loki has brought the Tesseract to Asgard. And by bringing the Tesseract to Asgard, he has brought an easy way for Thanos to get to the Infinity Gauntlet, thus fulfilling his side of the bargain.

Note: There was a blog post when The Avengers first came out that speculated that the entire movie was a Xanatos Gambit. I agree, but have built on it some. Particularly with the next post that I’ll be making.

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The Casket and the Tesseract

“If there was any tampering, sir, it wasn’t at this end.”

“At this end?”

“Yeah, the cube – it’s a doorway to the other end of space, right? Doors open from both sides.”

– Clint Barton to Nick Fury

I will admit right off the bat that the first time I watched Thor I had to remind myself that the Casket of Ancient Winters was not the Tesseract. I mean, they’re both cube-ish, they’re both blue, they’re both MacGuffins. I mean, seriously. It’s almost like they were purposefully made to look similar or something crazy like that.

I will start off by saying that there is very little to no backing from the comics in this segment (that I know of at least). I would like to propose the theory that the Tesseract and the Casket of Ancient Winters are two sides of the same door.


“The Tesseract was the jewel of Odin’s treasure room.”

– Red Skull

The Red Skull makes that statement at the beginning of Captain America: The First Avenger after recovering a false Tesseract. The real Tesseract is found in a carving of Iggdrasil on the wall. For those who weren’t paying attention in Thor, Iggdrasil is the World Tree – the little space-tree picture that Thor draws for Jane Foster while they’re at the camp fire. Just like Thor and Odin and Loki, it also originates from Norse mythology. That quote establishes a connection between the Tesseract and the Nine Realms part of the movies.


Furthermore, the Red Skull finds the Tesseract in a village called Tonsburg, Norway. We also see Tonsburg, Norway in the beginning of Thor. We see it being attacked by the Frost Giants (who I will be calling Jotuns by the way). The Jotuns appeared to be teleported there by the Casket of Ancient Winters (I mean, Laufey’s kind of just standing there holding it). It is at this battle that the Jotuns fall to the Asgardians.


After the battle, Odin and the Asgardians take from the Jotuns the Casket of Ancient Winters, leaving them apparently stranded on Jotunheim.

“Our armies drove the Frost Giants back into the heart of their own world. The cost was great. In the end, their king fell and the source of their power was taken from them.”

– Odin

I believe that the Tesseract is the Earth-side of the door and that the Casket of Ancient Winters is the Jotunheim-side.

I would like to point out that, at the finale in Thor, we see Loki use the Casket of Ancient Winters to freeze Heimdall and then he puts it back in whatever Bag of Holding he has. When he fell through the portal, he still had the Casket of Ancient Winters.

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Background Information

There are three things that I want to be clear on before jumping fully into the conspiracy theories. If you’ve read the comics (specifically The Infinity Gauntlet), then this may be unnecessary for you. If you haven’t – and SHAME ON YOU!!! – you may find this section useful.

Item #1: Loki is the God of Lies and Mischief. I don’t think they ever explicitely state that in the film or how obvious it is to non-comic book readers, but that is very important. Also, as an aside, his goal is to have the throne of Asgard. That should be obvious to anyone whose seen the movies, but it is very important and is worth repeating.

Item #2: That big purple guy from the end of The Avengers is the best thing that has happened to these movies: That is Thanos. Those few seconds with Thanos are probably the most important seconds in the entire movie (because of Thanos and one other thing in that frame… but that’s farther along. In the comics, Thanos is from the moon Titan and is very power-hungry. The second most important thing to know about him – and his reason for being power-hungry – is that he is trying to win the love of Lady Death.  (May I declare that the last line in this clip is the best line in the entire movie.

Item #3: The Infinity Gauntlet is a very powerful weapon that basically lets the wearer have power over time, space, reality, minds, souls, and power. It is made up of the six Infinity Gems, each of which are related to one of the aforementioned fields. One of the more notable Infinity Gems is the Mind Gem (the blue one). Oh yeah, in the comics, Thanos created the Infinity Gauntlet.

We’ve seen Loki in two movies and Thanos in the end credits of one (and he will probably be in Guardians of the Galaxy in  2014 as well). However, less obviously, we’ve also seen the Infinity Gauntlet as well.


(From the scene where the Jotuns are running from the Destroyer after trying to steal the Casket of Ancient Winters in Thor)

These three pieces in Joss Whedon/Kevin Fiege’s massive chess game are interlocking. With the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos might be able to win over Death’s love. However, the Infinity Gauntlet is in Odin’s treasure room, which Loki might have access to if he were king of Asgard. But Loki is not king of Asgard. A bargain between Thanos and Loki for an exchange of the throne of Asgard for the Infinity Gauntlet would seem plausible, no?

Note: Read The Infinity Gauntlet. I wasn’t sure about it based on the general premise of “all the heroes die” reminded me of the Heroes Reborn storyline that I encountered while reading the Clone Saga. I was VERY surprised by how good it was. Still need to read Infinity War and Infinity Crusade, however.

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Phase One

(Does having a blog make me a nerd yet?)

I’ve read enough blogs to get the notion that there should be a purpose to a blog. The purpose of this blog is for me to rave about my conspiracy theories regarding the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Before I jump into that, however, I thought it’d be appropriate to provide my background with Marvel movies and comics.

I was hooked on comic books because of Spider-Man 3. So right off the bat, I already was liking “bad” comic book movies. I started reading the early issues of The Amazing Spider-Man and grew interested in it. At one point, I grew interested in the Avengers as well and picked up Civil War and others. (I never was really fascinated by the X-Men. From the little I’ve seen and heard, there is just way to much time travel/alternate universes for me).

The first movie I saw in the Marvel Cinematic Universe film series was The Incredible Hulk back in 2008. Unlike many (again), I really enjoyed the movie. I’ve watched that movie more times than any other in the series (though, The Avengers is steadily creeping up there). After watching it, I collected the entire 1970s-1980s Incredible Hulk TV series with Bill Bixby. That reinforced me liking the whole forever-on-the-run aspect that the movie stressed. Of course, the most amazing part of the movie, at the time, was the final scene in which Tony Stark approaches General Ross and hints at forming the Avengers.

I didn’t see Iron Man until much later and really didn’t like it all that much. I was told by some that it was “the best movie ever” and while it certainly wasn’t a bad movie, it felt average. There was nothing that really blew me away.

After that, I didn’t really follow the movies much. My friends and brother tried to talk me into seeing Thor and Iron Man 2, but I never really felt like it. However, I did go and see Captain America: The First Avenger and that movie got me excited for The Avengers (also, partly because it was clear that they were serious about making an Avengers movie).

I wasn’t sure whether or not to see The Avengers until one of my friends actually forced me to go see it. I feel that it is probably the best movie I’ve ever seen. Perhaps it was just seeing all the Avengers together in one movie, but that was amazing!

After that, I became obsessed with the movies. Since I owned only The Incredible Hulk, I considered buying the others. However, Marvel announced that they would be releasing all of the Phase One movies in a boxed set and so I decided to tell my parents that that’s what I wanted for my birthday. Cool right? Birthday comes, it’s announced that it would be delayed until Spring 2013. Not cool.

So the easiest remedy was to buy them all and make my own suitcase.



Since then, I have watched all of the movies many, many times over (more than is probably healthy). With watching these repeatedly, holes in the plot become apparent, but those holes show the plot lying underneath that will probably come to the surface in The Avengers 2 or after.

The movies leave a lot of questions still asked. What happened to Loki between the end of Thor and the start of The Avengers? Where is the Casket of Ancient Winters now? What happened to the Red Skull at the end of Captain America: The First Avenger?

FYI: It should be assumed that there are spoilers for all the released movies. I will be sure to note it if I’m talking about one of the upcoming movies.

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